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Post by gman734 on Jan 4, 2011 20:28:36 GMT -5
Word Allout! I don't think anyone would raise a big stink if the officials changed to how it should be and what was intended. Come on...even the trophy guy is behind this!
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quad97
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Post by quad97 on Jan 4, 2011 21:49:52 GMT -5
When I voted I just kind of assumed it meant those were maximums. Whoops! I guess we cannot assume anything anymore. I hope it gets written that those are maximums. Maybe we should spend a little more time on discussion of these rules at the meeting before we put them to a vote. I know it makes the day long, but like JD said at the meeting: Why are we restricting discussion time to 10min on an issue that will affect our whole season?
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Post by moto 318 on Jan 4, 2011 23:05:59 GMT -5
Thats the problem with letting everyone vote on these issues, we should leave them up to a small group (3-5) from each club and or area, much less chaos and more seems to get accomplished.
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mx100
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Post by mx100 on Jan 4, 2011 23:19:18 GMT -5
Seams like a misunderstanding. I would like to know how the motion was stated exactly. I am sure 4 trophy's per class instead of the 7 that we did have was meant with full intention of the 33% still being left in place. Did the motion say to drop the 33%? If not then it should still be in place.
I am sure you can mis-lead any of the rules that were changed if you wanted to use a play on words. Sounds like the discussion was about tracks saving money!!
The intent of the discussion leading up to the motion should go along with the motion that was passed.
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Post by 834 on Jan 5, 2011 3:19:51 GMT -5
I disagree with 'what people thought'. I clarified the proposal just before the voting, asking about if there were only 4 women that all 4 would get trophies. One track owner said it would be great so that they would know how many trophies to order. I think what was really going on is that we were all tired and just wanted out. I an very comfortable with how things were clarified but I am sad that the proposal wasn't thought about more in advance and clarified. It is sad too that the 50 riders will not be getting participant trophies.
As far as the practical side, we are still hearing how 'the officiers just do whatever they want after the meeting' from years ago. The officiers are discussing this currently, but it is not a safety issue and it was voted on and passed. More to come on this later.
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Post by iversmx on Jan 5, 2011 14:07:01 GMT -5
It is too bad to see the little 50 guys not get participant trophies. If trophies mean anything to a rider demographic, it's the 50 kids. As a 50 Dad I get to see how happy even a small "thanks for playing" trophy makes the weekend. Being able to win something also keeps them motivated to come back and race again, even if they had a hard time on a particular weekend. This might be something to think about next year? We can't wait for the 2011 season! See you all there!
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Post by 35 on Jan 5, 2011 15:07:46 GMT -5
Is there not a provision for board members (not officers) to change rules even if safety is not an issue? As well, the HCMA is not a democracy nor a public or government organization. It's a private organization and changes can be made if we want. Its happened in the past. However, it's a difficult step to take because so many people are quick to criticize, albeit, most of the time this criticism is ill-begotten. So, if we feel it's a big enough deal, the board members can convene and vote on the matter.
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allout
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Post by allout on Jan 5, 2011 16:08:21 GMT -5
Sounds like its time to call the board members! Possibly ask the person who submitted the idea to clarify the proposal. Limit the trophies to 4 places is a great idea. 33% as stands now. How about giving the 50's a participant medallion or something similar. Not much cost, but could please everyone.
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Post by springtimemx on Jan 5, 2011 19:40:50 GMT -5
I agree with allout's most recent post. Makes sense to me!
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Post by howard on Jan 5, 2011 19:52:10 GMT -5
I agree with allout's most recent post. Makes sense to me! Ditto...the 50 kids deserve something more than anyone. Pro's should take a winnings cut to buy the kids a participant trophy. ;D
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Post by mxracer1234 on Jan 5, 2011 20:26:31 GMT -5
I agree that the kids racing the 50cc class should all get something. We have been there and it meant a lot to us when we received our first trophy (even when we missed the second moto). These kids are the backbones of the grassroot sport. If you get these kids and their parents hooked, then you will have some committed supporters.
-Jimmy
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Post by a447 on Jan 6, 2011 0:40:53 GMT -5
ya Howard! the $40 the pro makes for winning a "pro race" he'll donate to get the young guy a participation trophy. (and then i remembered pro entries are $35)
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Post by keithmnelson on Jan 6, 2011 0:50:53 GMT -5
Thoughts from a "lucky" to be graduated from the 50 class and a long ways from being pro (bite ur tongue Gman!!)...
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that HCMA sets the minimum trophy standard and minimum Pro/Expert payback level. A track/club can exceed these standards if they decide that more trophies and attacting extra Pro/Expert riders is within their budget. For example, if a track/club wanted to give participant trophies to 50 classes, they would pay the charges out of their profit from the race, and holding a practice on Saturday to expand the Pro/Expert payback purse has been common place. But, for startup tracks that have improvements and/or equipment needs, they may not be able to provide the extra trophies or additional money.
My opinion, if a track wants to build a good reputation, fight for track of the year, and support the HCMA riders, have participant trophies for mini riders and additional money added to the payback. But, don't think that extra trophies and money will over come poor track preparation...
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Post by Bob Arnett on Jan 6, 2011 12:58:48 GMT -5
Ok this has gotten out of control, Justin and I thought about the topics brought up on behalf of Billings, the trophy deal was a maximum payout idea not a pay 4 and 5 no matter what, if there is only three in a class 1st place gets the trophy like always, it was supposed to be set up to help clubs have a better idea before races to order trophies without all the extra left over trophies, so as far as i know there shouldnt have to be a long drawn out post about this, if there is 3 guys in a class 33% rule says pay 1st, but on the flip side of it when there is say 24 guys like the 80c gate, instead of 7 places there is only 5, pretty simple, on another subject there was also a plaque idea for everyone and it got shot down by people saying they want their kid to receive something other than a little placing deal to put on their plaque so they could see how well they did the whole season whether they got 1st or 31st the placing would have shown it, and then 5 minutes later the exact same people who shot the plaque idea down, voted to eliminate participant trophys, didnt make any since to me.
And the idea of making the pros pay for a participant trophy is ridiculous to me, the pro pay out is small compared to others around the country, i like the idea of clubs if they can afford it to put something towards the pros, this is my opinion if we keep taking from the pros we are going to end up not having pros, to have guys like Delaware & Karr leave the state to race somewhere else does nothing for our little series here in Montana, the little guys everyone is worried about not getting a little trophy which most of the time dosent even say where they were when they got it, look up to these pros, without pros to look up to the kids will eventually quit riding, if you think im crazy look at mondak, one pro class very little turnout. i think everyone should step back and look at the big picture so the HCMA stays around for future generations to have a place to race .
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Post by 35 on Jan 6, 2011 20:02:45 GMT -5
I disagree with 'what people thought'. I clarified the proposal just before the voting, asking about if there were only 4 women that all 4 would get trophies. One track owner said it would be great so that they would know how many trophies to order. That's exactly how it went. If someone had other intentions, that would have been the perfect time to chime in. All I heard was silence... As far as the pros paying for 50s trophies; I can't imagine anyone taking that seriously... It's too bad about the 50 participation trophies. I always thought it was a nice gesture.
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