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Post by supertrucker on Jul 6, 2011 12:16:16 GMT -5
We had 4 quads at our saturday practice in Helena, $40.00 bucks for all our efforts. They made prep saturday night as if we were starting over. Sorry to the Quad riders out there, but it just does not pan out!! We won't make the same mistake twice
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Post by cswhitey on Jul 6, 2011 12:51:57 GMT -5
Because of travel distance, job commitments, etc. is part of the reasoning for the number of quads that have been coming to the practice day. So now it appears the reasoning of not allowing the quads to practice has changed not to mention not considering their safety factor. Great Falls had 4 - 15 minute practice groups each hour during their practice day which included the quads. The quads did not take any time away from the 2 wheelers. Everyone had the same amount of practice time each hour. This is no different than the complaining about shortening the race day. Since there have not been many pro riders, do we not allow the pros to ride? No, we can't do that. Not fair. This looks like the good old days. Again everyone's safety is not being considered. Regarding hardship to Helena's track - The track was rough right away. The quads were the last practice so the roughness and dug in speed bumps did not come from the quads.
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Post by a447 on Jul 6, 2011 13:33:30 GMT -5
The problem with the quads is the power sliding, its not how they "make it rough" They flatten corners and eliminate any moisture in the dirt that will form lines for the dirt bike riders. With flat dry corners the tracks turn into go-cart tracks.
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Post by ryno23 on Jul 6, 2011 13:36:28 GMT -5
If we just cancel our Saturday practice and do Sunday morning practice only does that mean we're still not considering rider safety? Just curious...
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Post by cswhitey on Jul 6, 2011 13:44:05 GMT -5
I am only thinking about everyone's safety.
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Post by racermx on Jul 6, 2011 13:56:20 GMT -5
"I don't think anyone is asking them to take time away from the bikes so the quads can practice. They are just asking for their 15 minute practice like everyone else." How exactly do you propose to do that without pulling the bikes off? 4 quads on track=less time for many others. No one would argue (i don't think) that quads do get the short end of the stick, and I agree with all the quad supporters, they do. However its about what is best for the majority of the riders and not a select few. Do we need to be reminded of Billings? We lost that race for these 4-5 quad riders. Thanks for that! Supertrucker is right. Argue all you want, I think they are doing what is best for more of the riders. If the quads had 15 minutes of practice four times throughout the day, how is that not taking time away from the majority of the riders. They could have ran another session of the MAJORITY of riders. You should not be doing things that are best for the minority, rather do it for the MAJORITY of your people. And thats whats wrong with this country, we doing things for all the minorities and illegal aliens worrying that if we dont we will offend someone and find yourselves in court. If you wanna be democratic about, lets take a vote,,,see what happens. Again, Im not a club memeber, or even live in that town. So anything Im saying is not representing their club. K?
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Post by mxmotomom on Jul 6, 2011 14:08:20 GMT -5
I think the rules/terms of the practice session should be made by the club sponsoring the event and assuming all of the liability.
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Post by racermx on Jul 6, 2011 14:09:07 GMT -5
Safety. Yep I think it may be a safety issue. By not letting the quads ride, it will save more people from injury overall. All the bikes will have plenty of experiance by practicing on Saturday, thus fewer of them will crash on race day because they got plenty of track time. Less people will be hurt by not letting the quads practice. Less hospital trips. Safety for the Majority of the people.
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Post by ryno23 on Jul 6, 2011 14:14:40 GMT -5
I think the rules/terms of the practice session should be made by the club sponsoring the event and assuming all of the liability. Saturday practices are already that way. HCMA has no rules over Saturday activities until 6 pm I believe.
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Post by racermx on Jul 6, 2011 14:16:52 GMT -5
I think the rules/terms of the practice session should be made by the club sponsoring the event and assuming all of the liability. They do! Once again it not an HCMA practice!!! Get it?! HCMA has nothing to do with it. All Liability is on the club/tracks. How can I make this more clear? Ummm.... HCMA + practice = nothing. I dont think people understand that. But I see how it can be confusing, sorry if seemed pushy or a jerk.
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Post by honda on Jul 6, 2011 14:18:16 GMT -5
We were kicking around the idea of trying an HCMA race again, but to travel 6 hours and get limited time I think we will head to Spokane. Get to practice as much as you want Friday and Saturday. Race Saturday night and practice Sunday morning from 10 til 5. Looks like a lot more bang for the buck.
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Post by ryno23 on Jul 6, 2011 14:18:29 GMT -5
I am only thinking about everyone's safety. I fail to see how that answers my questiion? Believe me, my vote was to not deal with the headache of a Saturday practice but the club can always use the funds for future improvements. So here we are... Yet again.
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Post by mx808 on Jul 6, 2011 15:11:55 GMT -5
Safety is a good reason, but does not always pan out.
Helena had some of the worse crashes (and most) that I have seen in many years at our track. We had a Saturday practice too.
It's a matter of roughness and conditions (dry, slick, dusty) that I believe determines the outcome of crashes for the day. Helena got rougher than a normal race day this year.
For the last 20+ years we have had the normal 3 laps of practice in the mornings of the race and the majority of the riders seem to make it through just fine.
Saturday is up to the clubs. Plain and simple. If they wish to make some extra money and give some track time to the riders, then that's up to them.
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Post by ryno23 on Jul 6, 2011 18:16:53 GMT -5
FYI, just an update for those coming the gates will open Saturday morning at 7am. There will be NO Friday night camping at all. This includes members wanting to bring out campers early. The pivot will be going over the hay field with fertilizer and must finish it's path BEFORE we allow anyone in there. As Brad talked about in Helena our parkng situation is not the best. We will be parking people like a major event does to save space as best we can. So if you want to park with your buddy it is advised that you all show up together please!
Another note as like every year the will be ABSOLUTELY no campfires! This is nothing new but I figured I'd reiterate while I'm on the subject.
Sorry, for any inconvience and we hope your weekend of racing in Bozeman is enjoyable!
Ryno
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Post by gman734 on Jul 8, 2011 11:26:28 GMT -5
We (GVDR) understand that having a practice and a state race in the same weekend will be hardest on the families. But we want to encourage you make the practice, so we came up with a pricing plan for families with a large number of riders. $40.00! Whether you have 3 riders or 5 its forty bucks! However ( and you know there had to be at least one however, ), this is intended for immediate family members all traveling together. No 2nd cousins or "he is my half uncle twice removed on my step mom’s side." We are trying to make it more affordable to the families so please try and not take advantage of it. We hope this helps and encourages you to come. On a side note, I have spent the last few nights out at the track. It is shaping up nicely!!! The guys have been working hard and it shows! I wanna ride it soooo bad I still can't get a turn the throttle yet. Anyway, things are shaping up and it should be a great weekend of riding!!!! See ya there!
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