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Post by 212masters22 on Dec 11, 2010 22:59:31 GMT -5
Last year was our first year racing, but the one thing I'd like to see is the 80c have two classes, 12-13 year olds and 14-15 year olds. This would relieve the congestion at the starts and put the younger smaller kids with kids their own age and size.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 12, 2010 1:22:06 GMT -5
A more effective break up of age groups would be 10-12 and13- 15 as most kids are done with the eighty class before they reach 15 and a twelve year old is not nearly advanced as 13 yr old.
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Post by S2H on Dec 12, 2010 12:12:32 GMT -5
moto318 you got my vote!! seperate by age and then the fast young ones can bang bars with the older crew in the super mini class!
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Post by ktm30 on Dec 12, 2010 12:39:06 GMT -5
I have noticed the ama has them 85 9-11 85 12-13 and 85 14-15 now. Might work.
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Post by yamaha852 on Dec 12, 2010 12:41:36 GMT -5
SMACKTALK: Downfall to the staggering fast 65 with fast 85 is what about the kids that ride both. Go to age groups, and stagger both age groups for each bike size.
ALLOUT: I see your point of pit vehicles, but I guess I didn't come off clear enough because I was actually thinking just within the pits, to and from start line. I didn't mean rippin around infields. Put detail in the rule if it passes. Nobody under 21, NO crossing the track, NO tunnel use. If caught disobeying rule, you get fined $50 on the spot or disqualification for entire family. $50 fine would go to that track (go towards 'damage', land owner, etc.) $50 fine would be a good amount to catch peoples attention to follow the rule.
To 3 above posts: If not mistaken, isn't the normal age group breakdown 0-8, 9-11 for 65's and 7-11, 12-15 for 85's??? That seems like a better breakdown. Good call on the supermini class...still gives 'all' 85's a chance to still race each other.
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Post by ktm30 on Dec 12, 2010 12:48:54 GMT -5
Check mx results.com thats the new mini class structure. 9-11 12-13 14-15.
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Post by yamaha852 on Dec 12, 2010 13:50:46 GMT -5
I didn't see your post until after I posted. my bad.
I see that now. Do you think that would be a good age group breakdown for the HCMA?
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Post by ktm30 on Dec 12, 2010 15:42:00 GMT -5
I think it would be fair to the riders. Could still stager start.
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Post by miniracers on Dec 13, 2010 9:17:06 GMT -5
Didn't the members already try to change the mini classes to age groups, To have it changed back by officials before the season started?
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Post by mxmotomom on Dec 13, 2010 11:32:25 GMT -5
It wasn't last year but the year before when we tried to go to age brackets. It was voted in at the State meeting and then reversed prior to race season for safety reasons. I believe it was determined that a large number of the true "beginner" 80 C riders would end up in the 14-15 bracket based on their age and would be competing with all of the more experienced 80A riders. If this is going to be on the agenda at this year's State meeting, maybe the person proposing it could get the rider age information from Chris and put something together to reflect how existing riders would fit into the new age bracket system so that we can make an intelligent decision at the meeting.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 13, 2010 19:11:55 GMT -5
it works best with only two age groups per bike size, that way it opens up a spot to run a true beginner class, that way a true beginner can ride a class for one year before moving into age groups. the classes would look like this- 65 class; 9yrs-11yrs 7yrs-8yrs 65 beginner
85 class; 13yrs-15yrs 10yrs-12yrs 85 beginner
50 class; water cooled air cooled
I don't believe the rule was changed for safety after we voted the age groups in, it was either personal agendas or they were too lazy to make a plan and honor the wishes of the people who voted it in...just sayin'
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 13, 2010 21:13:55 GMT -5
I would think it would be good to add one more class to the 50's that would be the 50 mod class that way the youngsters would be able to run two different classes each race day.
Another issue would be 85 beginners would not be allowed to race in the supermini class for safety reasons. Accordingly first year 50 riders would not be allowed to race the 50 mod class for safety reasons. The open beginner riders are allowed to race only one class per year therefore it should not be too big of a deal for the smaller class beginners to race only one class per season, and in my opinion it will do them good and most importantly it will benefit the riders' safety.
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Post by ktm30 on Dec 14, 2010 12:30:56 GMT -5
it works best with only two age groups per bike size, that way it opens up a spot to run a true beginner class, that way a true beginner can ride a class for one year before moving into age groups. the classes would look like this- 65 class; 9yrs-11yrs 7yrs-8yrs 65 beginner 85 class; 13yrs-15yrs 10yrs-12yrs 85 beginner 50 class; water cooled air cooled I don't believe the rule was changed for safety after we voted the age groups in, it was either personal agendas or they were too lazy to make a plan and honor the wishes of the people who voted it in...just sayin' Three age groups would work far better then two.With the diversity of skill level I think it should stay A,B and C or beginner,B and A.
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Post by jamesrh841 on Dec 17, 2010 1:09:31 GMT -5
I agree the best way to split up the 85c class is to change that class only. Dont mess with the 85A or B classes. Change the C class only to the age bracket 10-12 and 13-15 yrs. Do the staggered start. And change the advancement out. Then the kids will be better prepared for the B class. Also we wont have 25+ begginer piled up in the first turn.
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Post by smacktalk on Dec 17, 2010 14:08:41 GMT -5
One other thing i wanted to mention......I do not understand now that we have the "transponders" which I might add is much nicer than I thought would be, would be to discuss the following: Based on rider entries at a HCMA race and the fact we now use transponders, why we cannot stagger more classes maybe even up to 3 classes depending on the track...( plains would be a little small to support 3 staggers...) this I have seen done out of state....for instance...vet pro/open intermediate/ 80a...in the event there is under say 6 riders per class....or even say over 25/ intermediate 125/ pro open.......something along those lines. So you could simply make the rule such as this....In the event of a class having less than 6 entries your class may be combined with other classes based at rider turnout at said events to be announced at riders meeting after signup....I think it is a waste of valuable race time, travel time, moto time, etc. when there is only 4 riders riding a 2-3 min. lap time race track. This would solve alot of the above issues, concerns and feel it would help and should be considered, since I do not predict turnouts to be any better than last year, probably worse based on this economy the people I talk to.
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