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Post by mxmotomom on Dec 10, 2010 8:15:53 GMT -5
This is in regards to the proposal of having two races in one weekend. It's a great concept - trying to save gas money for riders and families. Unfortunately, it will not work. You seem to be forgetting the amount of time and energy it takes to get a track prepped and ready for race day. For those of us who have been involved in this, we know it doesn't happen over night. It takes several days of very hard work. In Helena, in order to be prepared for a race on Saturday, the work begins on Wednesday night and continues up to the time we start the first practice. Under the scenario of having a Butte race on Saturday and a Helena race on Sunday, there would be no way that the Helena track would be adequately prepared if our track prep team(which is all riders) had to spend their time preparing bikes, campers etc for a race in Butte on Saturday. Our track prep team would have to miss the Butte race as I believe would be the case for any club having the second race on Sunday. The whole goal of this sport/series is to have an adequately prepared track that is safe and fun for the riders. We need to have a race schedule that allows this to happen.
Dawn Doyle #939
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 10, 2010 9:39:27 GMT -5
to say it won't work is subject to individual clubs' abilities and resources to operate and prep a motocross facility.Helena's success was limited as it's track is prepared by competing riders. I say let's leave it up to the individual clubs, after all they know best what it takes to make their event happen.
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Post by mxmotomom on Dec 10, 2010 10:41:52 GMT -5
Okay, let's leave it up to the individual tracks to decide. What about the points clerk. They run the transponder system until the very last race(which is usually around 5 or so) Would he/she have time to figure out who advanced on Saturday and have that information available in time for early signups at the second track on Saturday night?
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Post by S2H on Dec 10, 2010 11:35:32 GMT -5
If the advancement rule was changed it might not be an issue with running back to back races, no one would advance untill after the weekend. I also think with the new transponders each riders lap time is recorded allowing officials to really see who is competitive with the next class up, for example if you take the 85cc class you can see that a few riders in the C group could actually compete in the B class. After the race "Weekend" officials could look at the lap times and adjust the classes for a better competitive class. just a thought out loud but the technology is there to set the classes up this way.
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Post by allout on Dec 10, 2010 12:02:37 GMT -5
I am all about changing the advancement process, but would taking someone out in the middle of the year mess with the points of everyone? How does the guy who is moved up get points for possibly half a year of riding in the C class, then all of a sudden be in the B class.How would you adjust the points? I admittedly dont understand all of the variables of the point system, but I really am confused about the new suggestions. As far as moving up when you are not really ready, why dont we allow someone to stay in the class they started in for one year? It was done before in the HCMA. You have to admit, some kids are naturally faster than others, but to move them to a class that they are clearly not ready for, as in intermediate to pro, is injustice to everyone. They are not ready to be a pro rider, the pro's are negitivley affected by the riders who are forced to move up.If they are not ready to move up the next year, they can stay in the lower class. Maybe the officials could look at who should move up. Not sure what the best solution would be. And I have to agree with motomom that most of the track prep for a great race would be lost when back to back races are held. I'm sure that as in every type of club, 80% of the work is done by 20% of the members, and both clubs would suffer. The Saturday race would have fewer riders, and the Sunday race would possibly have poor riding conditions. And are you the one willing to give up points on Saturday so others can have a great day of riding on your track?
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Post by ktm30 on Dec 10, 2010 12:06:26 GMT -5
As far as I know Butte is having a two day race this year. Lose the seniority rule and it might put a track like Anaconda out they already have hard time putting one on.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 10, 2010 12:13:05 GMT -5
With a new advancement system there would be no concern about time for getting that sort of thing figured out. Alot of Stacey's time spent doing the new score/transponder system was during the week, figuring out ways to make it work for our advancement system.With a new system we would be saving a good amount of time and by the way,a pretty good chunk of the HCMA's change. Money spent on new ink cartridges weekly, the numerous stamps and paper for adv. notifications could all be going back into the pot and used for year end payout...Just sayin'
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 10, 2010 12:39:00 GMT -5
Allout; With a new advancement system a rider would only be advanced after the season and that is only if their speed and ability dictated that they needed to be advanced into a more competetive class.The only time we would see a mid year advancement would be if a rider chose to advance early and if the adv. committee saw fit that the rider could compete in the advanced class and not be a danger to the riders already in the class. A couple other instances would be if a rider shows up and blatenly signs up in a class they are obviously too fast for,they would be advanced and also if a rider signs up in a class they are too slow for and are creating a hazard for the other riders, they would be moved down to a slower class.All three scenarios would result in a rider starting the points accumulation over. that makes the rider think about what they would like to do about adv. early and would also make the sand bagger think twice about cherry picking becuase they run the risk of being booted to a faster class and losing points and affecting the chances at getting an over all win.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 10, 2010 12:49:20 GMT -5
No said anything about moving Anaconda's race,they are one of the tracks of the HCMA that would have to be ran early as they too face watering Challenges. By the sounds of things Justin would like to see a Billings/ReedPoint combined weekend happen the weekend before,the one that Anaconda usually takes, causing no problems with scheduling
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Post by S2H on Dec 10, 2010 13:23:40 GMT -5
I agree that not all tracks can pull off a back to back race weekend, but some could, I think Springtime and the BMC could because of the BMC''s work force where all members put in a certain amount of time each year to retain thier membership and they have alot of members who do not race motocross and do a great job helping out with the motocross races. If a few more tracks could do this it would open up the schedule for better weekends for the other tracks to choose from. I also know from riding springtime in the spring it is a great track and a lot of fun but an August race for them is not the best time of year for thier situation.
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Post by gman734 on Dec 10, 2010 16:44:45 GMT -5
You have to admit, some kids are naturally faster than others, but to move them to a class that they are clearly not ready for, as in intermediate to pro, is injustice to everyone. They are not ready to be a pro rider, the pro's are negitivley affected by the riders who are forced to move up.quote] Thats why The HCMA has the petition to stay or go into a lower class. If a rider advances and they are not ready for the next class up, all they need to do is talk to the HCMA officers, fill out a form. I the rider is truly not ready for that class, it shouldnt be a problem. I was really surprised this last year to see some +40 riders not petition to stay in that in the B class. I know if I ever get my moto wins I'll looking be into this. That is if Jason and Ryno let me. :-) Its great to hear all these ideas being passed around. I like the idea double race weekend...but it would suck for some riders. Like the idea of changing the advancement system, but not sure a complete overall is the best answer. I know im wishy washy sometimes. Unless it's for safety or administration type purposes, the one thing I am sure on is... I don't like the ideas of "making" a track/clubs do anything other than provided a good race and good conditions. That is probably the single biggest reasons clubs/tracks want to walk away from the HCMA. And right now I don't think the HCMA is asking anything out of line really. PS. I hate snow! Gman
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Post by yamaha852 on Dec 10, 2010 16:58:41 GMT -5
Two track weekend topic has NOTHING to do with pushing Anaconda into summer months. As for the 'seniority' rule, I was referring to starting the HCMA 2011 series on either April 10 or April 17 allowing Billings or Reedpoint or both to go before the 'usual April 24ish' start weekend. Anaconda/Niarada may still have last April and first May weekends, but allow tracks that are able to have a race earlier in the year have it. Billings will not/cannot have a HCMA race past July 1 for schedule purposes. Yes, they could probably change the mid September Fall Classic race into a HCMA race but that is too late for a HCMA sanctioned race for reasons like football, school, hunting, etc. As far as how would the advancement policy play out on 2 track weekends...well, if it is within the first 6 tracks or so, it shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 11, 2010 10:03:20 GMT -5
Even if they don't decide to drop the seniority rule you will be able to pick a weekend before Anaconda's race, when it comes to Billings'/ReedPoints' turn to choose, as there is no rule stating when the season starts.
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Post by smacktalk on Dec 11, 2010 18:32:14 GMT -5
Wow.....I like the allow piggyback for mechanics or ride pit bike since I get tired walking that much with 6 motos not to mention the long distance starts like Nirada..lol. Also changing Open to Outlaw A with pay and drop the 25A. 25A didnt seem to have much going in it this year and dont understand why any A rider would pay to ride if you cant get a chance for entry fee back?? In regards to classes and have said in years past and feel it would work fine based on the last 2 years turnout....change 65 and 85 to only 2 classes each, using ages as the cut-off. You could probably stager the fast 65 with fast 85 based on the recent numbers. Fun stuff. Thanks to all who will make the meeting to make these decisions.
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Post by allout on Dec 11, 2010 19:38:34 GMT -5
Really think the pit vehicle is a bad idea. Right now the HCMA has trouble enforcing pit riding, let alone vehicles in the infield. Most tracks dont have enough area in the infield to allow pit vehicle. I seriously doubt Livingston or Bozeman track owner allowing pit vehicles tearing up the grass in the infield. None of the tracks are so huge or parking so far away that we need to have pit vehicles.
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