allout
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Post by allout on Dec 7, 2010 11:20:49 GMT -5
318, have you submitted these changes to the HCMA for discussion at the state meeting? If so, I hope you have a detailed plan for what you are suggesting. I would suggest you have even a graph that you can show the members at the meeting to point out the plus's and possible minus's of your plan. It seems like many good ideas get shot down at the meeting because they are difficult to understand. It may be a good idea, but if it isnt very clear to everyone, it will be shot down. I think you are right in letting riders mature in their riding before being pushed to a higher class. Too many are riding in classes way above their abilities. This also affects the riders who are in the class they should be in, and having to make too many adjustments to their riding to avoid the riders who shouldnt be there.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 7, 2010 20:29:11 GMT -5
I haven't submitted anything and I don't know if I will,I am somewhat reluctant as I don't know if many would support it.
If I were to submit one it would be as follows, and this would be open for ideas for the next week or so as time is running short to submitt changes...
first change the names of the classes,change all Pro classes to the A Class; 250A, 450A, Open A, Vet A. I would also think it is time to change the class names also;125 to 250 and the 250 classes to 450. As far as advancing we would delegate to the Ref,Vice Pres,Pres,and two HCMA members who would volunteer their service and opinion for the day, with an annual rider review meeting, happening the Saturday of the second to last race of each year, that way riders can be informed of any changes in the rider classification for the following year.Changes will be posted the last race of the year, at the awards banquet, the state meeting and on this site. If more than two members volunteer they will be voted on at the state meeting,if there are no volunteers it would then be left to the previously mentioned elected officials.
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Post by yamaha852 on Dec 7, 2010 23:43:07 GMT -5
1. Narrow HCMA officials down to 4 officers. 2. Pay officers 150 day rate and no mileage. 3. One day races only. 4. Get rid of ‘seniority rule’. Let tracks like Reed Point go early on. They don’t stand a chance in August. They can race early April, Anaconda and Niarada are cold and usually have snow. Bump them maybe to first of May. Billings wants in, but needs race before July 1. Livingston does well before June 1. Have NO August races. Try to schedule more around bigger races…World Minis, Loretta’s, Washougal, Lakewood. 5. If possible, if two tracks agree, go to one track Saturday and one Sunday (Billings/Reed Point, Butte/Anaconda, Helena/Butte, Helena/Great Falls, Great Falls/Conrad, Niarada/Plains, Niarada/Kalispell) 6. Open classes changed to Outlaw A/B...A is for int and pro riders only. Paid class. Still have Open beginner class for first year riders only. 7. If it helps with amateur status, change class names to expert or A. 8. Change big bike class names for bike size. 125 to 250 and 250 to 450. 9. Trophy Big bike classes top 4. Mini classes top 5. Pay Pro’s 100, 70, 40 for 7 or more and 70, 40 for less than 7. 10. Ties in with #9. Create a large plaque, with a spot for actual number of race weekends. Have some heavy duty plaque with HCMA 2011 in center and class name. If ‘ten’ race season, then adjust plaque to only allow for that. Then, each rider could receive a plaque plate for each position each weekend. Cuts back on costs, room at home, and way nicer down the long road. 11. Practice... atv 15 min. (first practice) big bike pro/int 20 min beg/jr. 20 min mini bikes/women 20 min 50's 15 min. (this practice schedule is 10 min less than previous year plus allows everybody more time on track. Most riders these days have more than one bike. 12. ATV's practice first and race last moto on ALL schedules. tracks can prep track during intermission. 13. Pay 25 A class or get rid of it. 14. Require tracks to have a 4 inch pvc pipe buried at finish line for transponder set up. (Does our transponder system require this?) 15. Require tracks to have finish line just before or close to start/first corner so next moto may start efficiently. 16. Submit new race schedules to allow better flow. 17. Try to run 50 classes on big bike track...or at least half. 18. Get rid of 60% rule to qualify for year end. You place what you place. If rule stays….change year end payout to only those who do complete 60%. 19. Advancement rules…needs discussion…Not sure what to say!!!! But the top guys pulling over and ‘third place’ guys winning causes the ‘not ready’ riders to move up. 20. Have a ten person board??? Basically used for disqualification. I ‘heard’ of disqualifications of riders for yellow flag racing…treat EVERYONE equally (pros-beg). 21. Go to age groups for mini classes. 22. Allow ‘pit vehicles’ used by personnel above 15? 18? 21? 23. Allow ‘mechanic’ to ride shotgun if #22 doesn’t pass? 24. Extend quiet hour to at least 1030 if not even 11? 25. Get rid of technical inspection part of rule book or ACTUALLY enforce it like Livingston does. Require clubs to inspect before practice. 26. Require ALL classes to meet 60% of laps per moto to receive moto points.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 8, 2010 0:58:18 GMT -5
I am down with losing the seniority rule as well,would be great to have tracks like reed point and nairada,tracks who face watering challenges, be able to host a race early in the season like anaconda has for so long.
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allout
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Post by allout on Dec 8, 2010 8:52:28 GMT -5
Please explain "pit vehicle" and mechanic "shotgun". Love the idea of a set amount of trophies each week. Also have a plaque with placing plates that can be added to it.
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Post by ryno23 on Dec 8, 2010 13:30:39 GMT -5
good luck with the trophy idea. Been there, tried that and I am still getting Anthrax in the mail from certain people. just saying... Ryno
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mx123
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Post by mx123 on Dec 8, 2010 14:05:25 GMT -5
2 tracks 2 races in the same weekend don't sound to good. Not all of us have 6 bikes just sittin around. So if we have bike problems or crash you lose 2 races of points. sounds like a no brainer.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 8, 2010 16:59:16 GMT -5
Totally agree with needing age groups in the mini classes.
Like the thought of longer practices.
Love to see Billings back on the series.
would be nice to be able to pull off two different tracks in the same weekend but the disadvantages are pretty heavy ie; what if bike breaks at first race, costs alot of money to race two tracks in the same weekend I'm lucky to come up with the money for one race each week.along that note we need to stick to the rule of no more than two races in a row way too hard on the the wallet and attitude, that 5 weekend stretch last year was ridiculous.
I'm overweight and slightly lazy so I like the thought of pit vehicles,I would think operators should be 21 or older though.
Tech inspection must be enforced like the rule book says! I seen Conley get smoked by some one, who I won't mention as that is not important, on the first corner after the start in Helena,when I asked him what he deal was he stated that his brakes were gone and hadn't worked for several days that situation could very easily have been avoided if it had been inspected before allowed to practice and race. Props to livingston crew for their efforts in recent years.
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Post by yamaha852 on Dec 8, 2010 23:47:10 GMT -5
ALLOUT: Just about anything could fly for a 'Pit vehicle'. That could be voted on. I was thinking along the lines like a Utility ATV, rhino, scooter, golf cart, etc. More of a 'low speed' vehicle and NOT like saying a dad/mom can ride a 450 around. As for the 'shotgun' I was thinking me personally could give my pit sweeper a ride on back of bike or say a 60/80 rider could have a parent give the kid a ride....hopefully if passed we dont see parents riding 50 to line and kid walking!! But if the 'pit vehicle' passed then we could probably stay away from the 'shotgun' idea! As for the trophy's...I would like to see a set number from the get go. Even if the class (EX. 125 jr.) has 30 guys, still place to 4. As far as the plaque idea...It could huge demand if I actually can get one made to model. But if we went plaque idea, I'd say get rid of trophy's. If the plaque idea was a go, we could find one trophy place to cover entire year. Make super nice 2 foot by 1 foot plaque. Center class name, HCMA 2011, and rider name in middle. Say if there is 10 tracks. You could have the ten spots pre made on plaque with location and date. Then, we could order up 1000 first, 1000 2nds, 1000 third, etc....100 13th.... End of day, you go get your placement tag. EACH rider would get a placing. At first exact numbers might be difficult, so say 38th place in 125 jr. may have to get his mailed the first week. Say a plaque cost 50 to make one, we could hopefully find a shop willing to make 600 of them for 30 a piece. I've talked to a few mini families and they say its a great idea, and yes there 50 rider likes getting the big trophy. But I think down the long road, some parents could go to the extent of taking the plaque each weekend and encouraging Johnny to better the weekends before results. Little johnny would be stoked to get his new place plate and super stoked to stick to his high quality plaque! The plaque could be like the 'rider of the year' trophy....same idea but in plaque format. With that in mind, we could even do a solid big trophy instead of plaque. The idea I'm trying to get is make some sort of trophy to hold on weekends on ONE unit.
RYNO: See bottom half of 'allout' letter directly above.
MX123: I see your point. BUT, since 'your location' says 'my mom's house' then I would think you are total aboard with me on this idea. Since you live with my mom, who lives here in town, billings, then lets just use Kalispell for this example. I, we, would rather drive to race Kalispell Saturday and Niarada Sunday or vice versa. To go to one race and spend 300 in fuel, to just turn around and do it again 5 days later makes NO sense to me!!! All I was saying, GIVE tracks the option and NOT force them to do it. I spoke with the Billings club and they seemed very interested in the idea to get Reed Point in with us. I personally think we would draw bigger crowds from western MT, hence they get TWO races for the price of one kind of deal. As for the bike problems....most towns have motorcycle shops...support them. Steve Skains usually has the cosmetics covered. If you are worried about a top end...carry them in trailer. Because whether you have to do a rebuild Saturday night or the following weekend...you still have to get it done. As far as the 6 bikes laying around...I don't have that and not really sure if many around here do.
MOTO318: Your 4th idea, continued from MX123: As for the 2010 season of 5 weekens in a row, it happened and many did it. The difference between that and what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to cut back on GAS expense which is the major expense for most each weekend. Side note to 2010, a few people at some tracks would pay the 20 dollars to ride an extra practice on saturday...that covers most of one entry if we did do two tracks in one weekend. We could almost go to the point of doing a double track weekend and then skip a weekend??? As for the longer practices, I think its a great idea. It gives EVERYONE longer practices, and a majority of people have two bikes, and usually only get to practice one. I personally would like to go for 10 min on one bike and then switch to the other bike for 10 min. With my purposed practice idea, it is actually 10 min shorter and gives everyone longer practices...its a WIN WIN SITUATION!!!! To the overweight and slightly lazy issue, see your local fitness center!!! I think the pit vehicle idea is a good idea as long as we don't abuse it. Set a mature age limit. I don't think we would have a problem of 'grown ups' rallying two rhino's...it could maybe speed up things at the starting line or even bring more enjoyment to families. It would help spread pit areas out a bit with families knowing they have easier transportating to and from starting line. As for the inspection, along with other rules, why have it if it isn't enforced 100%.
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Post by moto 318 on Dec 9, 2010 9:17:02 GMT -5
The issue of 2 tracks in one weekend is totally legal there are no rules saying you can't,in fact if you think back to a couple years ago great falls ran a makeup race on sat.and helena had its race on that sunday.
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Post by S2H on Dec 9, 2010 13:01:08 GMT -5
I like the idea of the plaque. As a parent and not a racer I would be willing to purchase a plaque for my kid who has never won a trophy in any race so he could at least have a momento for the year and be able to look back and see how he did. great idea and willing to pay my share. You could also make first, second and third a different color.
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Post by mx123 on Dec 9, 2010 13:37:17 GMT -5
JD: I am totally on board with every thing you have. But the 2 track weekend I don't think will fly. But what do I know.
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Post by S2H on Dec 9, 2010 14:28:21 GMT -5
I think the 2 track idea should at least be tried out this year to see if it could work, and it would save a lot of gas for those who do have to travel a long ways to race. It would also open up more weekends for rain outs to reschedule thier race and not take all sumer to run the circuit. This would allow tracks to hold local events that do not conflict with the HCMA races and may result in more racing closer to home.
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Post by honda on Dec 9, 2010 15:47:45 GMT -5
We have already had races at 2 different locations on the same weekend in the past. I think it was Hungry Horse and Niarada and possibly Bad Rock with Hungry Horse if I remember right. I am from the western part of the state so it did not have much of an affect on my travel time or saving me money, but I can say that we would definetly hit a lot more HCMA races if we could go get a full weekend of racing in rather then travel for 6 hours race for 40 minutes then load up and head home.
A couple of the sanctions that we have been racing with have Saturday and Sunday races and it is nice. We have spent Sunday's in the pits before with bike problems, but that is the chance I am willing to take to save money on fuel and with the money you will save in fuel you can buy an extra cylinder/top end and clutch to pack to the races with you.
We had to learn the hardway, but we take everything we need to the races to fix pretty much anything that can be fixed without needing special tools.
It is the same chance you take when you have a Saturday practice or even when you start your bike on Sunday to practice or race.
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Post by yamaha852 on Dec 9, 2010 19:17:24 GMT -5
Kevin: I do remember of it, but didn't not race that weekend adventure...so I can't say how well it worked. I WOULDN'T force every track to do it, BUT i will ENCOURAGE tracks to do it!!! S2H makes a good point. It would allow easier make up dates, allow more spare random family time, and/or random local race events. Whether the rule book already has nothing against 2 track weekends, I think we just need to express the benefits more on tracks. HONDA makes a good point as far as those who practice saturday...or sunday...or whatever it may be....if a bike is going to break down...its going to break down. The 2 track weekends and 'hoping seniority rule disappears', I'd push for a Reed Point Opener on Saturday/Billings on Sunday in early April. Whether or not any other tracks doubled up, I do think it would benefit turnout numbers for both Reed Point and Billings. As for the plaques S2H, I too, would purchase one for each of my classes. Great idea on color changes for 1st 2nd and 3rd....and then maybe just do red for the remainder places. Then, kids could still set goals of getting the 'colored' plates. Gold...silver...bronze...red on remainder?
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